Flying Chariots - The Rise Podcast Transcript
Quantum Entanglement

 

Krissy DeBois  00:00

All right, let's get going. Welcome to flying chariots the rise Podcast with your hosts, Dustin and Krissy and today we have Rachel Hoffman, who is a paranormal investigator. She's been to area 51 which is freaking amazing. I can't wait to hear about that. She is also just an overall, fascinating, sexy person. Tell me about yourself. Just general. I know it's a lot but give me like the key points.

 

Rachel E Hoffman  00:47

Ok, the rundown. So, I've been a paranormal investigator for about 20 years, and I started out with a three girl group in Boston, and it was a very, very short, short time that I was out there putting out some YouTube stuff, and I was discovered by Zach Bagans. And we were on his show the Paranormal Challenge, and it's been like on God, it's been a long it's been 2011 I think now was the year. So it's been a while, but he discovered us after we put the group together, and we wound up getting on TV, like, really quickly. And I didn't know what that meant at the time. I didn't know that, like, the paranormal was a really hard niche to get to, because I was just out there kind of having fun and, like, throwing stuff together. And yeah, we got after that, after we got on the Travel Channel, a lot of doors wound up opening for us. So that's how I wound up, kind of getting, like, all these awesome asylums and battleships, and we went to a lot of different places. I started embarking on true crime after that. But sorry, I ramble. I'm horrible.

 

Dustin Schutta  02:00

That’s what we do here. That's part of it. Go off whatever feels right to you. Yeah? Again, like, I haven't seen you in like, a year, because last time we talked about the quantum physics and stuff a little bit, yeah, you were really into that too. Like, you have a whole range of things that you're into, and you actually not just sit on your ass and do stuff, you actually go out in the field and work with people and get up in these TV shows. And I've seen your other big name podcast. That's one reason why I found it in the first place. And like, again, you have this other side of you that has this exotic splash of sex appeal. I'm like, damn, who is?

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Rachel E Hoffman  02:44

This favorite one too, my favorite. Now you have a great co-host. This is going to be awesome.

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Dustin Schutta  02:50

This is amazing.

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Krissy DeBois  02:51

So excited about Rachel. There's just so much to Rachel. She's being like, just so excited. And then once you find out that she's sexiest person ever, you're like, she's so smart. And then you find out that she's into, like, the parent, oh, and it's like, what she just has so much to her. I'm just, I was so excited to talk to her tonight. Um, there's so much to talk about, my God.

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Rachel E Hoffman  03:19

Thank you. I appreciate that so much. I love, I love this show. It really is. It's amazing. You guys have the perfect niche of, you know, sexy and paranormal. And, you know, it's sometimes like, what we're saying, kind of on the sidelines, is there's a such a thin line between being highly spiritual and highly sexual, and it's such it's it's so taboo still, into almost 2025 that people are out there judging us by what we're wearing, and saying, you're wearing too little. We're out here investigating ghosts without bodies, and we're worried about what somebody's wearing. Like, are we going to get our head out of our friend? And, you know, like we're caring about earthly things way too much. We should be out there doing the research. You know, the distractions, are a plenty here.

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Krissy DeBois  04:12

Yeah, people are pretty judgmental, I would say. And you know, like I was saying earlier to Rachel, sexual energy is just energy, like any other energy. And if you're a passionate person, it's going to come out sexually. It's going to come out in your interests. So it makes sense that a lot of highly spiritual people are very sexual.

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Rachel E Hoffman  04:33

And I think energy, you feed off the energy, you get drawn to it. I was drawn to you and also, I think likewise, we're that's what brings us together. You know, it's Quantum. That's another thing.

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Krissy DeBois  04:49

You know. Rachel, I was thinking in the future, quantum physics is going to be the key to the world, and understanding all this paranormal phenomenon, the ghost stuff, we're going to understand that someday it's not going to be taboo. We're going to understand it via quantum physics. I know it long.

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Rachel E Hoffman  05:13

I think that we, I think we, we, you know, we're logic brained, and we've gotten so close, and there are so many answers. I rely more on my personal experiences than any kind of equipment. I'm like, no one can take that from you. You know, like, if something happens to you, no one can. No one can take that personal experience away. You know, someone can just throw your film, or someone can erase your audio, but no one can take away from you what you felt, seen, heard at the time.

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Krissy DeBois  05:42

In terms of parent the paranormal, specifically when you are on your expeditions as paranormal investigator, what would you say is the most convincing thing that you've seen or felt?

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Rachel E Hoffman  05:59

I think for the general public, the most convincing would be the thermal camera, just because it relies on temperature. And I got, I was on the bio channel, I caught before an entire figure dissipating out of form on a thermal camera, so you could see it like, yeah, and it was void of color, so it was totally blue, and it was like one of the top piece of evidence that they got. It was crazy. It was in the middle borough Town Hall in Middleboro, Massachusetts. And the people there thought it was the thought it was the guy that built the building, like the construction guy, like coming back to visit the building, sure, you know, or one of the Selectmen that had worked there, because it was an official building, they were letting me, I had to go, you know, against the town, and go to a town meeting and everything to reintroduce the paranormal to the town. So it was, it was a really interesting period of time. But that building is so active. If you ever get a chance Middleborough Town Hall, you can rent it. They appreciate the proceeds. They put everything back towards the building, and it is super active.

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Krissy DeBois  07:13

Oh, I'm definitely gonna have to check that out. I love that you're in New York. By the way. I found that out when I was watching your last interview. I didn't even realize that you're in upstate New York, so am I? We're probably only like, an hour away.

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Rachel E Hoffman  07:25

Oh, really. Or yeah, I'm in the capital region. Yeah, I got too many stuff. Yeah, no, but yeah, we'll have to meet up for coffee. And also the USS Slater is doing an event, which is a battleship down the road, probably somewhere in between in the capital region that we could check out go to a battleship with me.

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Krissy DeBois  07:57

Oh, that would be amazing. So rare to meet a ghost hunter like I have my friend Laura. And then in the area there's, there aren't very many people. There's paranormal Dutchess. I've met them like years ago. And then it's so rare to be able to talk to people like you.

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Rachel E Hoffman  08:16

Yeah, and you know what? I do agree. And you got to be careful in the paranormal, because you can have ghost hunting in common with someone, and that can be the only damn thing that you have in common with them. So you better spot yourself. It's a petty universe. It really is.

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Dustin Schutta  08:33

It really cool too, like, again, just the hatred and the jealousy and just Yeah, who or what, who's right and who's wrong, and,

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Krissy DeBois  08:41

yeah,

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Dustin Schutta  08:42

same with the UFO thing. That's why again, you again, you're doing your own thing, and you make yourself known. And people are drawn to that again, like the independency of the freedom of doing what you're doing and you're still in the middle finger up at the same time. Yeah. I always tell people are five kids.

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Rachel E Hoffman  09:01

There's a difference between the paranormal field and the paranormal community. You don't have to be a part of the paranormal community, what we call paradrama. You don't have to be part of the paranormal community to be part of the field. The field is the research. The field is the energy like I think, I think I've gotten more exposure just doing my own thing, creating my own stuff, doing my own projects. And people are like, Oh, what are you doing now? And, you know, I started embarking on the true crime, yeah. And people are like, true crime and paranormal. This is cool. So I embarked on that. I get, you know, I get these ideas. Sometimes it lasts for like, a little while, and I'm like, oh, let's do something else. You know, sure, I think interest, yeah, keeps me, keeps me interested, too.

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Dustin Schutta  09:51

Exactly. No, it's so dope. That's why I got this, this podcast. It has expanded since I started. But no, it's great. I love it. Just, more people are just living vicariously through us, in a sense, because what we're doing with our own independent life and hobbies, like we're kind of stuck at home, you know, with their kids, or, like, just busy, busy life, or, you know, something just, they're just, you know, not happy at home, and then, like, you see us, there's like we're gonna find out here, chasing ghosts and checking out UFOs and adding podcasts and you know, like this.

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Krissy DeBois  10:30

People who watch people like Rachel on YouTube, and they're terrified. They're so interested in the subject, they're terrified to go out there and investigate. A lot of people are really scared, but they're very interested.

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Rachel E Hoffman  10:45

Can I tell you, though there's time to run watching myself, like I went down that death tunnel in the rolling hills asylum on the Travel Channel, with that Doc Ock machine sitting on the couch and watching it. It is scary. Like I was still scared in the death tunnel, like in the middle of everything, the coldest day of the year, but, but sometimes it does. It is freaky when you're watching it. I'm like, sure you know how it's filmed.

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Dustin Schutta  11:14

Yeah, the music, the music, and

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Krissy DeBois  11:19

it just adds experience, yeah, yeah.

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Rachel E Hoffman  11:22

I didn't watch my discovery channel, um, episode yet, um, but I saw the news on it, like, I saw a couple news flashes, and then I saw I google myself every, like, couple weeks, just to see what else popped up. Because sometimes I'll have, like, a newspaper article, especially around October, because I do the horror movies and stuff. So every now and again, somebody's like, oh, a local girl does this, you know? So I'll google and be like, did I wind up in the paper last week? Like, well, so I googled it, and it was like, you know, there's no such thing as bad press. People are like, we don't know if we believe Rachel was abducted by aliens. And I'm like, You know what? I mean? I'm like, but, um, but I don't feed into the community a lot. I go back into the field, and that's where I you know, that's where I live in the field, the community. They can be harsh, they can, you know, they can cause you to want to quit sometimes.
 

Krissy DeBois  12:22

Well, none of us, actually 100% know what we're doing. It is technically still considered pseudoscience, you know, so unfortunately, we don't always get the respect that someday we will get, yes, but none of us know 100% what we're doing. But I feel like there's, there's no room for Judgment in this community. Okay, no, we're just trying to find a truth here.

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Rachel E Hoffman  12:48

Yeah, we're just talking to dead people in the dark. Give us a break. It's not that serious.

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Dustin Schutta  12:54

And I think everybody on earth has the curiosity of death. You know, we're always questioning, where does our so go, is there going to be an afterlife, or is there any reincarnation? It just, at least, for me, it's like, that's what makes me, like, wake up every day, like, with the ancient astronauts, like, mystery, that what? Why the are we here, right? And like, what's, what's going to happen when we do die? I'm like, some of some of me is kind of terrified. I don't know. I hope the guys don't help me.

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Rachel E Hoffman  13:26

Yeah, no, I agree. I'm a Satanist, and so I spend a lot of time arguing about entities, whether they be ghosts, whether they be gods, you know, it just depends. But I don't, I don't sit back, I don't lay back anymore and just take it. I now I'm to the point where I'm like, Listen, stop calling us evil. Stop I'm I'm done with it, you know.

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Krissy DeBois  13:50

So I wanted to ask you, but I wasn't sure if you felt comfortable talking about the Satanism. I actually love that about you. So I think that I had some satanist friends in the past, and they were better people than a lot of the Christians.

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Rachel E Hoffman  14:08

And it's so I just tell people, and this is no offense to anybody. When it comes to statistics, I'm a big stats person, and there's only 2% atheist Satanists in prison, and the reason why is because we believe in personal responsibility. We're not looking to the right or left to blame or up or down to blame monotheistic God. We are looking inward, and we're saying, how do we take responsibility for ourselves? How do we apologize greater how do we, you know, take that step forward. And you know, we do view ourselves as almost a God. We we're number one if our star goes out, our whole life goes out. You know, we're the center of our own universe here, and that has to be the case with all of us. But at the same time, who you worship while you're here is is up to you.

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Dustin Schutta  14:57

Or the fact that free will too we have exactly making choices, okay, this guy's gonna die, even if he didn't deserve it or not. That's kind of, yeah,
 

Rachel E Hoffman  15:07

Exactly. Well, you know, that's, that's the thing that I found. I was a believer in God, and I I lost my faith in God over the course of time, and over the course of just, you know, awakening, different awakenings I've had, and so it was a sad it's like, it's like breaking up with a with somebody you love, somebody you care about, somebody you trust your whole life. And then you start becoming awake, and you start realizing that sometimes people are wearing costumes and they're hiding behind this entity, and they're doing really, really bad things, and like, I believe in God, then everybody excuses it. So to me, I'd rather say I did this. I'm sorry, and I'd like it second chance.

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Krissy DeBois  15:53

You know, honesty and all of it. And I, I was reading about Satanism once, and I grew up in a very restrictive private school. They were Protestant fundamentalists, and it was very, very strict. And I, I was reading about Satanism, and they basically were saying, you know, allowing a certain amount of sinful acts is will really prevent you from acting out in the future. And I remember there was a restriction, a lot of restrictions, in this school, and most of the kids ended up on drugs and this and that, because you really go against what you're taught. So you fight so hard when you're restricted, that hard you there's a boomerang, and you go in the opposite direction. You go downhill quickly. And almost all of them did, yeah, sure, heavily restricted.
 

Rachel E Hoffman  16:53

Yeah, I've seen that.
 

Dustin Schutta  16:57

It's really weird. And another weird phenomenon is ever since I got into the UFO subject and kind of made a name for myself, I have a bunch of Mormon kids asking to be my friend on Facebook and messaging me and thinking that they could try to flip me, yeah, and I, like, you want to debate right now, I just kind of flip the on them. They're like, Oh, damn.​

 

Dustin Schutta  17:20

They're like I don't know if they like, do you like, look at my profile. Like, look at what I do. I like, really heavily in bro, you're really gonna try me? Yeah, no, get extra brownie points because I'm a step level higher to turn over.

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Rachel E Hoffman  17:34

Yeah, it's so weird. They're gonna get a spot next to, like, the higher in the kingdom. I'm

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Dustin Schutta  17:38

I'm telling you about 20 kids, like, boys and girls, Mormons, and then they stick together. They have all name tags. And they do, no, I'm serious, they have these little name tags, and you actually see them walking around Madison. There's, like, two of my white shirts. They have the name tags, and they knock door to door and trying to convert people.

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Rachel E Hoffman  17:59

But, yeah, you don't, you don't see Satan just going door

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Dustin Schutta  18:05

to door exactly, and then, like, yeah. And I think it's like, a waste of time and breath to, like, debate me or try to convert me, you know, just Yeah.

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Rachel E Hoffman  18:19

But also, it is what you're saying. It is, you know, sometimes and I, and I'm a type person that if you give me enough information, and it's good information, you can convince me of different things. I mean, I'm not completely closed minded person, you know what I mean. I want to hear more, but, but it's not just about the inaccuracies in the in the actual book. You know what I mean. But it's about for me, people hiding behind the guise of being holy when they're harming children.

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Krissy DeBois  18:52

That actually is what upsets me more than anything about a lot of the Christians I've met in my life is and it's almost like, God, all right, say you have a sexual fetish, right? There's nothing wrong with that. As long as you're not hurting people. There's nothing wrong with that. Go for it. Have fun with that. But I feel like a lot of Christians just cannot face their like, shadow self, or whatever it is. They can't face it, and so they go in the opposite direction. They're like, I'm anti this. I'm anti that. It's evil. It's like, well, I

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Rachel E Hoffman  19:26

have a theory. Yeah, they, they actually, there is no such thing as, as, like, the porn addiction, but, and if there was, and there is, I mean, to different degrees, if there was it would be covered by insurance, okay? Like, like a drug, like a drug habit, okay? Video games, same thing. We can't call it an addiction that has a remedy for therapy, because there isn't one. So, because, so what happens with these religions is they tell you that you have a problem. Everybody wants to get our bodies are made to be sexually functioning. So when we when we have awakenings and things like that, we're being told that we're doing something really bad and that we have to, you know, do something to make up for these things that we've done, you know. So they highly focus on that aspect, and they make you feel guilty, or if you get caught cheating on your wife, they want to give you therapy, and the only way that they can get your insurance company to cover it is to call it an addiction. And when you go to your insurance company asking them to pay for your therapy through your church, you can't call it a pornography addiction. So that's what I'm seeing. They they class things differently so they're able to get different resources in the door that play on words. It's a money mongering game. Yeah, it's just, it's something I've sat back and and pulled apart over the course of time because I've seen donations go to these churches that later wind up paying for lawyers to get priests out of prison for hurting children. So I trace down where the money goes that people are paying. And if every church across America adopted two homeless people in America, we would have no homeless people in America. So they're definitely not doing what they're supposed to be doing terribly.

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Krissy DeBois  21:24

That's crazy. I always felt that way as well, and like, where's the money going? You're asking for people.

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Rachel E Hoffman  21:30

Their doors wouldn't be locked if it was terrible. Yeah, it'd be an open door policy. We'd all there being a homeless people. We'd have place to go. We could go eat. We could, you know, but that's not the case. So unfortunately, dismantling that system is important for me. But back on the topic of UFOs, what you were saying, Dustin, about the the government getting involved right now, at this point and people are still in denial about everything is.

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Krissy DeBois  22:00

Yeah, so in denial, how?

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Dustin Schutta  22:04

Yeah, especially, especially now that Congress is the one that has to prove to the public that UFOs don't exist, instead of the crazy farmer that has to prove that they do exist, you know, so it's a holy flip into the slow drip of disclosure. But yes, we have these military pilots and military people on radars that actually coming forth as whistleblowers, and they're not being taken seriously or like it's kind of been slapped, yeah, again, it's just I heard now there's a new group of whistleblowers coming out saying that Congress is starting to hide secrets amongst what they're trying to tell us, like they're not. They know something big they have. I think we'll stop humanity in its tracks where, like, no one's going to go back to work anymore, all the religious Well, I think that we're being Yeah, and that this election is a great distraction the wars that we have going on in the Middle East and in Europe. Yeah? Again, something's about the pop. And it's really interesting. It's going to be UFOs going to show themselves. Finally, you're saying, all right, people, you all fuck up. Yeah, this is a straw that broke the camel's back for them to show themselves,

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Rachel E Hoffman  23:21

or what people are willing to accept, is what, yeah, true.

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Krissy DeBois  23:27

And the biggest thing,

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Dustin Schutta  23:28

Yeah, it makes you wonder too, like, even, like Space Force and like a Trump, and if he's gonna, like, release any UFO information, that he claims that he said he was going to, he says his talk hopefully, but, yeah, this again, we have, it's crazy, but the, I think there is, again, a big distraction. There's something in the background happening, and it's got a sudden, we gotta wait to see, yeah,

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Rachel E Hoffman  24:00

I've been seeing weird even even military planes and stuff in the air. We're over here by a base, and it's like, I took a picture in the sky, just randomly. I was like, Oh, look at the I wanted to get pictures of the trees were about to all breeze down with the beautiful orange leaves. I took a picture, and this is so random. When I caught something and I put it on Facebook, and I was like, What is this? It's literally so I'm a lighting expert, because I've been working in the paranormal field for so long. I work in the dark. So I mean, like, I have to be an expert in the ultraviolet, in night vision, in in thermal, even though it's got nothing to do with actual light, it does have to only to do with temperature, but you have to be an expert at those things. And what I notice is, when you take a picture and you catch a ghost and you're debunking what the energy could be, you have to debunk dust, rain, light refractions, if something is the source of its own light, like an anomaly, it's more than likely around ghost, which feel like, Oh no, it's an orb, or, you know, like they call it an orb, and they say it's a dust or a dust mite or whatever. So pulling it in, piecing everything together and actually going through the footage, when you're taking pictures of the sky, we shouldn't be seeing things reflecting back off the other side like there's a green screen. And that's what I'm seeing around here, especially. And this is where I was abducted. This is Hudson Valley, like arena. That's the whole I 90 going towards Boston, Massachusetts, all that area is extremely active.

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Krissy DeBois  25:49

Rachel, are you comfortable talking about your abduction?

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Rachel E Hoffman  25:52

Yeah, I wasn't allowed to talk about it before because I was under contract from discovery. They wanted to hear it first. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. No, they wanted to hear it first. So whenever you give a story to a production company, you have to sign you for talking about it. So I was waiting to go film when the last time me and Dustin spoke when I was on here, so yeah, but yeah, you can ask me about it. I am fine. 
 

Krissy DeBois  26:23

I'd love to know about it. Anything you can share. I'm so curious.

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Rachel E Hoffman  26:28

Yeah, so, I mean, I had, I had first been abducted before I even went to kindergarten.

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Rachel E Hoffman  26:41

Very very, very young. And it could have even been before that, like it could have been a number of times before that. That's the first memory I have of it, and it's, it's amazing what you remember in the moment, especially when you're building core memories as a kid. So I remember I was wearing rainbow, bright pajamas. I remember like that when I was being lifted that my the gown was floating behind me. There's some kind of an anti gravity situation going on on that ship. So your hair will stand up and then slack back down, and all the hairs on your body, same thing will slap back down. It feels like somebody's actually smacking you. So there's a lot of like, sensory things going on and smells, and there's a lot like, there's a taste in your mouth. There's people think being abducted is just the experience of of being probed, and it's so much more. It's like consistently hearing the sound of a vacuum, and then I heard the sound of the Earth from this spaceship, and we sound like, I don't know if you guys are old enough for this, but there used to be this group called the monks, and they'd be like, they'd sing, oh, that's what we sound like, from to them, when they found us, they didn't see us, they heard us. That's how they found us, because we set out an audio wave into the universe. So and it's all of us. It's all of us talking at once. It's cars running, it's it's a little bit of everything. So your perspective is, it's frozen in time, and I didn't talk till I was older. I have I'm on the spectrum, so I didn't talk until I was older. So I'm trying to explain to my family members, like, what was going on with me. And they called it my nightmare phase. So they're like, Oh, you're having nightmares. I'm like, I'm explaining to them that I just witnessed amputations. And I'm like, I don't know how to say this, but like, there was, there was arms and things moving where there was no bodies attached to them. Oh, hell no, there was babies in.

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Krissy DeBois  29:04

Huh? So traumatizing

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Rachel E Hoffman  29:06

It was. I was so bugged out. The hands were like this, like things were moving, things were jerking on tables without the rest of the body. And I was four years old, so it was beyond like, you know, like, I was like, What is this? Um, but I saw things that aren't even developed now, um, I saw, uh, uteruses that had no people with them, but babies developing inside of them. And I was able to describe it to the team, the MUFON team, and I connected with some people afterwards to see if other people had similar experiences. And they did. It smells like band aids on the ship. Like, like, if somebody opened a million freaking band aids under your nose really quick, and it's like lightning So, and you get a weird taste in your mouth, and the taste doesn't go away for like, a couple days, they were doing stuff to my nose. They were they were taking stuff in and out of this part of my nose. So I consistently had a little red.in the middle of my nose from the age of four years old to 13, when the last abduction took place. So yeah, and it was an open wound, and like everybody would be like, you're the little girl with a little red.in the middle of her face. And so when I went on Discovery Channel, I provided them with, like, my childhood photos. And I my parents were divorced when I was young. So I had a passport. You know what I mean? So, like, I had a passport with every year, it changes so that you can get on board the plane. So I happen to have one of the passport pictures of me every single year. So it's a raw, untouched photo of me every single year with this.in the middle of my face that is just consistently changing.

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Dustin Schutta  31:03

That's so gnarly. So what are these ETS look like? Are they the grays? Are they human like? Are they kind of shadowy looking where you can pick them out.

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Rachel E Hoffman  31:14

To me, they look to me more like an octopus. Oh, God.

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Dustin Schutta  31:20

I mean, that is terrifying.

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Rachel E Hoffman  31:24

They like, I saw no emotion or anything. People were saying that they felt like some psychic feeling or emotion. They felt nothing, nothing. One thing I can tell you, though, is their eyes are so black and so dark and so deep that it feels like you can stick your whole arm like You're like looking. I blink. I refuse to blink while I was on that table. I want to see everything. I was afraid to look away. So the whole time, even when they were putting that thing in my nose, I didn't blink. I was staring the whole time. So I could see everything. I think I was afraid to close my eyes and then so I basically saw everything I was able to describe to them for the Discovery Channel. You know, when you do stuff for television, they take out the most entertaining parts. I didn't see the show so, but they take up like the most entertaining, shocking things you say. So to put them together for the skit you're on, sure. And so that was my experience. But I went out to I went out to go film in New Mexico, and it snowed the the day I went, like they said, it never it snowed like twice there ever. So I made like a little, tiny snowman. And then a friend of mine invited me back out to film another show that we might be working on. I had to keep it under wraps a little bit, but then I wound up back out in area 51 after and it was incredible we went through at a Native American reservation.